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22:26:27 <RobertFit>	Hello all
22:26:34 <Fushion>	Hi Robert!
22:27:10 <RobertFit>	What's up today?
22:27:36 <Fushion>	Nothingreal as far as I know.
22:28:35 <RobertFit>	Was John (aka jewel) around?
22:29:03 <Fushion>	Oh btw, I've finally started to make the assembler in JAVA. Looking good sofar, just struggeling with x86 addressing modes...
22:29:22 <Txwolf>	Fusion : where are the sources --> Produt/ JOS   ??
22:29:26 <Fushion>	nope, jewel was not here in the last 30 mins.
22:30:20 <RobertFit>	Fushion, cool.  Any sign of a release yet?
22:31:11 <Fushion>	Sources are not in CVS (yet). Will be if I can get it to produce more than the to (half) opcodes it can do now (MOV and XOR).
22:32:40 <RobertFit>	What type of requirements does it have?  I.e. what packages does it use?
22:34:20 <Fushion>	Remember my project 'black'?. I want it to be self-reproducing (well, something like that...). It uses only it's own classes, so not even any java.* package.
22:36:47 <RobertFit>	Great, i'll soon be ready to produce assembly again with my jvm (ujvm).  I'll need an assembler, but I don't want to have to load 100's of class files.
22:37:31 <RobertFit>	Is it going to be Unix or intel assembler syntax?
22:39:55 <Fushion>	My assempler will be VERY object-oriented. eg. I386Assembler extends I8086Assemler.... But it wll use one classfile for every instruction (black.copiler.asm.i8086.MOV and black.copiler.asm.i8086.XOR etc).
22:40:42 <RobertFit>	Hmmmm.
22:41:03 <Fushion>	It will be Intel like, but because the assembler class is just a shell for the instructions, it will be VERY easy to make a shell for Unix syntax.
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22:41:44 <RobertFit>	Now easy will it be to port to another processor? Mips?
22:41:55 <RobertFit>	Hi txomega.
22:42:17 <txomega>	Hi RobertFit
22:42:39 <txomega>	txomega is the same as txwolf, my line joust drop
22:42:54 <txomega>	Kick txwolf, please
22:43:46 <Fushion>	RFit: all the instructionclasses must be rewritten to produce Mips opcodes... They are very different form intel opcodes right? snif...
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22:45:14 <RobertFit>	Yeah, I think so. :(
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22:48:39 <Fushion>	jehaa.. it worked...
22:48:46 <txomega>	:-)
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22:49:59 <Fushion>	Hmm, must learn to use IRC more effectively some day... :)
22:50:07 <RobertFit>	:)
22:51:26 <Txwolf>	well, i would like to help/join the Jos team, is there anyone need help in something
22:52:09 <RobertFit>	If i'm going to use black in my jvm I think i'll need it to support more then no processor (or at least plans for support).
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22:52:14 <Txwolf>	and i like to see the source code ( BTW Jos is GPL right) 
22:52:39 <RobertFit>	What would you like to work on Txwolf?
22:53:02 <Fushion>	If you know something about X86 assembler (yes, i said assembler...) you could help me.
22:53:21 <RobertFit>	Not all of it's GPL.
22:53:32 <RobertFit>	But I think that'll change.
22:54:07 <Txwolf>	well i am a beginner in java programming, and assembler
22:54:35 <Txwolf>	and what i really want to do know it work in UI for jos
22:54:47 <Txwolf>	UI in java 
22:55:09 <Txwolf>	but i do not know how things are going
22:55:25 <RobertFit>	At what level, low level drivers or windows look and feel.
22:55:33 <Txwolf>	in jos.org i coudn't find the sources
22:56:05 <Txwolf>	starting at windowns look like, ... but something like KDE
22:56:58 <Txwolf>	but i want your opinion, i do not now what the team is doing, or if there is somebody working on that
22:58:26 <RobertFit>	Ok, I don't think there's any source yet for that.  I do think others are interseted, your should post a message to the mailing list asking if anybody is working on it already.
22:59:02 <RobertFit>	All the current development is at a much lower level, kernel, jvm, drivers, etc.
23:00:23 <Txwolf>	i woudl like to help on that, ... because it's a hard work, but i have not experience in the kernel level
23:00:41 <Txwolf>	maybe letter after UI
23:02:10 <Txwolf>	does JOS site is working, i just access the first page
23:03:46 <RobertFit>	It seems to be down.
23:05:14 <RobertFit>	It's working now.
23:05:43 <Txwolf>	Yes it's up
23:06:58 <Txwolf>	what type of Os are you using for developement?
23:07:11 <Txwolf>	Win Linux, _Os/2, ..?
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23:07:32 <RobertFit>	Most of us are using Linux.
23:07:55 <Txwolf>	Slack?
23:08:08 <RobertFit>	I'm using Debian.
23:09:00 <Txwolf>	Never try debian, i am using slack
23:10:11 <RobertFit>	I don't think it matters that much, as long as it has recent versions of the development tools, gcc, binutils, java, etc.
23:12:12 <Txwolf>	What's the status of Jos, any bootdisk that we can tray
23:12:37 <Fushion>	PS. that's why I'm working on an OS that doesn't need any of those ools to make, just JAVAC and JAVA.... 
23:14:00 <RobertFit>	Txwolf, no bootdisks yet but it's on the todo list (hopefully it'll only be a week or two).
23:16:26 <Txwolf>	in that case the kernel is , what 50%, 80% build?
23:17:40 <RobertFit>	Currently we are just using the Linux kernel, and loading a module which contains the jvm.
23:18:18 <RobertFit>	This module is able to run some test cases.
23:19:33 <RobertFit>	The delay is that some one needs to package up a kernel, jvm module, and the classfiles, then try and get it to fit on a floppy.
23:19:54 <RobertFit>	It's likely to need more then one floppy.
23:20:30 <RobertFit>	I haven't looked into it yet, but it may not be an easy task.
23:21:32 <Txwolf>	what about CD's?
23:21:41 <Txwolf>	forget to small, right?
23:22:15 <Fushion>	Try using VmWare + Grub. It works for me... no bootdisk needed.
23:23:03 <RobertFit>	Yeah, that would work, though bochs is better (open source).
23:24:17 <Txwolf>	 Grub??? what's that? i have DL once a GRUB files, but they didn't boot
23:25:02 <Fushion>	Yep, I've tried bochs, but when I askede my boss for VmWare and he gave it to me, the choice was easy.... :)
23:25:48 <RobertFit>	Grub is a boot loader like Lilo but better.
23:27:38 <Txwolf>	 those JOS site is update? i found in DEvelopement/working groups something interresting
23:28:15 <RobertFit>	No a lot of it is very out dated.
23:28:51 <RobertFit>	The mailing list archive is your best bet for up-to-date information.
23:29:30 <Txwolf>	Where is the mailing list archive?
23:30:31 <RobertFit>	http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/6687/0/
23:31:25 <Txwolf>	Thx 
23:32:12 <RobertFit>	This is the archive for a new list (about a month old), I think the old archives are broken. :(
23:33:50 <Txwolf>	but where can i find something to begin to work with
23:35:04 <RobertFit>	Teaseme is avaliable at http://teaseme.sourceforge.net/
23:35:15 <Txwolf>	I mean source files, the main philosofy of JOS, the system design, etc
23:36:18 <Txwolf>	License ?
23:38:12 <RobertFit>	The whole project is still in a state of flux, we may be going to a new code base (teaseme).  The design is embedded in the wiki web at www.jos.org, there has been no license decision yet (but GPL or LGPL is a good bet).
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00:06:36 <Fushion>	Well, I'm leaving also. Will be doing memory addressing issues this week for my assembler. If any progress, I wiil inform you all.
00:07:04 <RobertFit>	Ok, thanks.
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